What, and who, is a moderate Muslim?Islamic values are codified in the Koran. The idea that some Muslims might interpret those values in a moderate way is like saying there’s such a thing as jihad lite. There’s no getting around the f….
Filed under Culture Wars, Foreign Policy, General Interest, Islam
Well LB, you know how to draw a feller in don’t you?
There’s no way to get around the f…
(Guess it must’ve been my Sailor training … or something.)
Please be kind LB, to ‘ol JK, he’s supposed to be minding his ‘Ps & Qs’ or, requested to at any rate.
Hey JK, that is a “reblog”, so the original source decides the format when you click that “share” button. Just getting into the passing it along the grapevine thing with social media and taking short-cuts, but when I have time, I prefer to write my own original blog posts – then I do the link thing, just like you.
O.K. L.B., normally you and I agree on most topics, but as an Historian I have to take exception to this one. Is radical Islam a danger to us? You bet, but don’t then extend that out to “because it says so in the Koran, all Islamics must either be jihadis or support them, because IT’S IN THE BOOK”. There’s yet another, and older, Book called the Bible. Over the years it has been interpreted differently by many different people, to include various Popes, the Inquisition, Martin Luthor, John Wesley, and the South African Dutch Reformed Church who believed it justified slavery in the modern world. Others focus upon the New Testament and rarely read or consult the Old, which is full of blood feuds, smighting hip and thigh and other adventurous stuff. I live in a university community and used to teach high school here, and we have a very diverse ccommunity, including a goodly number of faculty member who are Muslims. I know them. They know me. I taught their kids. We don’t agree on everything but I am not concerned that they are going to try to burn my house down or push for local Sharia Law…
Very sensible and “fair-minded” view Kinnison. I shared this lady’s opinion piece, because I’ve read a lot others from academics and such claiming “abrogation” makes later Koranic verses trump earlier less violent ones. In 2000, my views would have been very much in line with yours, now I have some doubts if this writer’s view holds more water. In over a decade the resounding silence from “moderate” Muslim voices to emerge and counter the strident ones has caused me to wonder about this issue.
I suspect the vast majority of Germans in Nazi Germany were decent, good neighbors and just as you describe your Muslim neighbors, but I’ve got a suspicion it’s because most people aren’t political radicals and ordinarily just go about their daily lives. However, in over a decade since 9/11 there seems to be a very slim number, of Muslims who speak out against the scourge of radical Islam and often the condemnation comes paired with a list of grievances to rationalize or blunt the criticism. This concerns me.
Spending my entire adult life around Army communities, with a likewise very diverse cultural mix, I’ve met wonderful people everywhere we lived, from all corners of the world, and never feared any of them meant me any harm. I hope your view is the truth, but I admit to some doubts.
‘Tis all a very curious/mysterious subject comparing the two books and the two peoples, both of the former being “of the East” while the latter pair might be put, “most of the Westerners have both feet in the West while the folks we are familiar with mostly have both feet in the West but there’s a sizeable “minority” (the Somali community in Minneapolis/St Paul for instance) whose feet’s precise location is dadgummed difficult to determine with any precision.
Then there’s the People of the East, in the East with both feet planted exceedingly firmly in and with the East.
Studying on all this stuff leads to some startling inconsistencies.
Fortunately (or, unfortunately – depends I suppose on one’s viewpoint) there’s “One” People who are remarkably consistent.
(And if the Reader must limit to reading a single embedded link I heartily recommend the one leading to Citizen Cheney’s interview with Larry King. Denoted in the article’s blue-texted “last throes.”)
Oops. ‘Pears I left something unclosed.
Yes, JK, And while you mention my partisanship frequently, I think I mention the neo-con “cakewalk in Iraq” blunder frequently and as this article poses – I advocate regional dialogue too. But the truth that ordinary Americans don’t realize is that the region stays aflame with weaponry from many countries outside of the region and this endless escalation of the enmity blowing hot just adds fuel to the fire. And the US does this too, always with the caveat that this relentless escalation of tensions will somehow empower one side to a decisive “victory” and lead to a permanent solution.
In the midst of civilizational collapse, decisive “victory” is probably a short-lived stage of last gasps. Not very optimistic for a happily ever after ending, imho.
What I was meaning to implicate was not “regular Joes ‘n Janes” rather the Representatives all us Joes ‘n Janes wind up with.
Most recently for example (most apparent from a tactical perspective) people who voted thinking they were gonna get themselves some “hope ‘n change” got GW’s Iraq Policy on steroids.
Mrs Bush’s No Child Left Behind turns into Mrs Obama’s School Lunch Initiative.
Clinton’s yet to deploy F-35 became Bush’s yet to deploy F-35 and a trillion dollars later has become Obama’s yet to deploy F-35. And many Congresses yet to deploy F-35. Something to do with “Avionics Suite Deficiencies.”
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